“Women are only attracted to men who behave like men.”
- Xenocrates
This one is dedicated to all the guys out there who will never break a woman’s heart; the guys who will always be a friend when she needs one, will always be her comforting shoulder when her boyfriend goes postal, will always offer their shoulder for them to cry on – and despite all of this, for some reason, still inexplicably find themselves STUCK IN THE FRIEND ZONE. Gentlemen, I salute you. I feel your pain. Even though you have been the ultimate guy in waiting, you find that the woman you constantly adore, the one for whom you offer yourself as a bridge over a puddle of mud - will never love you back. Why are women so duplicitous in their intentions towards men who are not jerks? Over the last month, I’ve sampled some fine female selections from the gene pool and I’ve come to realise why. Brace yourselves gentlemen. This one is going to hurt.
The Fundamental Difference between Men & Women
Take careful note of small children in a play pen. The little boys are always more loud, abrasive and obnoxious than the little girls. Males are driven to be very forward and aggressive. It’s our genetic imperative to be like that. We pride ourselves in competition, conquest, aggression and machoism. It shows even in our competitive nature as adults and our unwavering love for sports. Men are agressive. Growing up, men are always raw and brutal with each other – even as friends, we play rough.
But not women.
Women prefer to use their mind, not their muscle (which is understandable since women aren’t gifted in the physical strength department). Even when they fight among themselves, it’s usually borne out of psychological warfare. Even as little girls, females are more inclined to verbal assault – rarely ever turning to physical violence. Women prefer brains over brawn, and it shows in their everyday lifestyle. However, when it comes to dealing with men, this preference for brains over brawn can become rather – shall we say… annoying.
Why Girls Ignore Nice Guys
As we’ve touched on before, women generally respond more positively to men who are more aggressive. It doesn’t matter whether those men are good for them or not. Agressive men get sorted to the top of their preference list most of the time. The agression in men is sexually attractive to women. You see this manifested during intercourse with the woman usually assuming the passive role, deriving pleasure from being dominated. Therefore men whose approach is more assertive, bold, cocky, confident, perhaps even with a dash of humor (most women love to laugh) will usually get more positive results from a woman. Men whose approach is more timid, indecisive, unsure, shy, relies too much on banter or uses more subterfuge to woo a woman, tend to get ignored or treated less seriously. Nice guys tend to fall into the latter category.
With that said, there is a collective of men who are good for any woman that usually get sorted down in the list all the time, since those men tend to use the more subtle approach described earlier. Those men are usually not immediately very desirable to them, because their approach is not particularly masculine. Let’s face it guys, you wouldn’t approach a woman who wasn’t behaving particularly feminine would you? EXACTLY. This is why you have poor luck with women. The timid approach will cause her to think of you as one of the girls. The problem with this is that these women know at the back of their minds that these men have value – they just don’t feel sexual chemistry with them from the get go because of the approach. What happens in a woman’s mind at this point is that:
- She doesn’t dislike you enough to turn you away, but;
- She doesn’t like you enough to want you the way you want her to.
The end result is that women attempt to convert these ‘nice’ guys into friends - kind of like how a tourist keeps souvenirs from their vacation. The issue which I am attempting to elucidate is this:
Women are more inclined to turn less desirable men into friends (thus effectively castrating such men) instead of just flatly turning them away – usually for sentimental reasons.$0D|�A
This is the single most annoying thing that a number of genuinely “nice” single men face from women of all kinds. Men don’t like gray areas. We work best in zones that are conclusively black or white. When a woman says “well, maybe” or “I need some time to think” it’s like she’s saying “No, you can’t bone me - but I don’t want you to go away – yet.” Ever had that happen to you? Well here’s the bad news:
You’ve been put on a waiting list.
The Waiting List
For those of you men who’re too dumb to know what it means to be on a woman’s waiting list, here’s the gist of it:
- Women need to feel an instant ‘click’ with a man she meets.
- Click = Chemistry. Men don’t need chemistry as much as women do.
- Men whose ‘click’ doesn’t match the woman’s standards are wait listed.
- If the ‘click’ doesn’t occur instantaneously, you are also wait listed.
- A woman’s wait list ranks men according to the ‘click’ strength.
- The list is sorted in descending order, from strongest to weakest.
- As she meets more men, they are automatically sorted on the list.
- The man with the highest click strength gets the most attention.
- Men who don’t click at all are instantly turned away.
- Her waitlist operates on the POP principle; meaning that only the man at the top of the list can be disqualified. If that happens, then next man below him on the list is automatically promoted, and so on, until the list is either exhausted, or until she finds a suitable mate.
Some of you may know this as “ladder theory“. But unlike ladder theory, I’m not encouraging the treatment of women as raw meat (although to be brutally honest, a lot of them ask for it). The main difference here is that I’m explicitly encouring you to GET OFF HER WAITING LIST. Why you ask? There are two main reasons:
1. You’re Her Backup Plan
Being wait listed means that you’re her backup plan, her plan ‘B’. Well, technically, it could actually mean that you’re quite possibly her plan ‘J’ or even plan ‘X’, depending on how far down her list you are. There may be quite a number of other men ranked above you. If that doesn’t bruise your ego, then you should also note that you could be waitlisted indefinitely. Let me tell you how this happens:
You meet this girl. You express interest, she says “well, let me think about it” or “Let’s be friends for now.“ and foolishly, you agree. However, in her mind, you didn’t generate enough chemistry with her to get to the goods. So what happens is that your click strength is quantified and you are added to her wait list (as it wasn’t strong enough for her to want to open her legs for you in the first place). You are then sorted in descending order among the other men that she knows. If she continues to meet other men (and subsequently bump off men from the top of her list), your position on her list may either rise or fall as she meets other men with more (or less) chemistry than you. As such:
So long as she continues to meet other men and you were not instantly sorted to the top of the list, you will continue to remain her backup plan, most likely indefinitely.
Some men are wait listed so long, that they are in waiting until she becomes old and desperate. That’s where you will instantly get promoted to the top of the list, since all the other guys above you will no longer desire her now that she’s pushing 30, still single, growing miserable, childless and fat. Additionally, women at this stage in their lives are no longer interested in casual dating. They want to get married – NOW – which instantly disqualifies her from most single men’s interests. Since you’re the only guy she knows that would have loved her irrespective of what she looked like (hence why you were wait listed in the first place), you now become her priority numero uno. All the other guys have gotten a chance to bone her and have long since moved on. You get to be stuck with their “legacy” – a used vagina looking for a permanent buyer. By this, so many jerks have plugged her, that she’s like a used car on a car lot that only sells new cars. Think about that for a second. Let it soak into your brain for a few minutes…
Now do you see why you need to get off the waiting list? If that wasn’t harsh enough for you, then read on. I said that there are two main reaons why you need to get off the list. Let’s get to the second, and more severe reason:
2. You’re being wait listed to be heart broken
If you’re not her number 1 from the get go, chances are that even if you were to change some characteristic about yourself that would cause you to be promoted instantaneously to her number 1, you HAVE to maintain that characteristic (which I imagine will not be who you really are) in order to keep her interested. If you fail to do so, she will most likely loose interest and thus, break your heart. Remember, only men at the top of the list are disqualified. So you get one chance to either shine or die.
If that doesn’t happen, then she’ll most likely break your heart another way: You could be wait listed until some guy she meets very recently gets instantly promoted above you. She may even end up marrying him and not you. This one will hurt 10x more than if you were wait listed indefinitely. This is because this girl will have already:
- Given you hope that you and her were a ‘possibility‘.
- Known you for a much longer time than the dude she’s now with.
- Taken your money and other favours (investment!)
- Been on dates with you and shared pseudo-intimate moments.
- Kept you as a close confidant and friend (again, building up your hopes)
- Shared many of your secrets (and vice versa)
- Been the object of your unrequited affection
- Cried on your shoulders every time her other boyfriend treats her badly.
- Repeatedly chosen to invest her love in assholes, ignoring you.
- Have absorbed a great deal of your time that you could’ve invested in other possible love interests.
…only to shaft you in the end. Yes sir, it will hurt. It will hurt like a mother. It will hurt so bad that one of two things will happen to you:
- You become a cold, callous, heartless, skirt chasing, womanizing PLAYA – a jerk, just like the ones she constantly rejects you for… OR:
- You become wise and GET OFF THE LIST!
Women Don’t know how to be Straight
You have to understand: women are really nice people. They’re so nice, that many of them can’t even be straight and blunt when they need to turn down a guy who they prefer to have as a friend. This is particularly true when a woman knows she’s not attracted to a particular guy, but she doesn’t dislike him enough to just flatly reject him. This is why nice guys tend to finish last. But it doesn’t have to be their lot in life. What women fail to understand is that a man who approaches a woman doesn’t want to be “just friends” (irrespective of the strength of his approach). It’s all or nothing. Men can’t be friends with women unless:
- He’s a homosexual.
- He’s not interested.
- He’s very happily married.
- He’s related to her.
It is unnatural for single men to want to ’befriend’ attractive single women. The very idea is preposterous – unless he’s desperate for any kind of attention he can get from her. Women are not our equals – they serve a wholly different purpose. Women were created to propagate the human species. Hence why Adam was cloned and given a women, and right brain preference so that he could love his clone in order to make babies. Thus it is inherently impractical for such friendships to exist while interests persist without somebody getting hurt.
If you’re a woman reading this: Be straight from the outset. If you’re not interested at the beginning, chances are you won’t be interested later. Just say ‘no’ and spare him the misery. If he really was your friend, then you wouldn’t let him suffer.
If you’re a man reading this: ‘Maybe’ means that she’s not interested. She’s only hoping that your chemistry with her will grow over time. If she’s not interested now, odds are that she’s not going to be interested tomorrow. Don’t get attached. You will hurt later. You have been warned.
How does a man get off the list?
Here’s the fundamental underlying principle:
Only pursue women for whom you become the number 1 from day 1 (or close enough thereto). If you’re not numero uno, move along – even if she clings to you and begs you to stay.
There are over 6 billion people on the planet. Less than half of that number are women; we’re talking roughly 3 billion women here! A good 1.5 billion of those will fit some demographic (race, language, culture, religion, income, etc.) that is suitable to you. That’s roughly 800 million females in your general quadrant of the planet. Narrow those down to within 60 miles of your immediate vicinity and we’re talking about roughly 50,000 female possibilities at the very least. Why should a man then sully his dignity for a woman who isn’t sure if she wants him?
If every man realised that he has a good 50,000 women at his disposal to sift through at all times (even considering probable variance), no man would become hung up on just one woman who said “maybe“. Even if 10,000 of those women said “maybe“, you still have a good 40,000 to breeze through. It is thus mathematically improbable to not find more than enough willing souls to partake of your affection from this pool. There are simply too many good women in the world who are more than ready to settle with a decent, loving man like yourself, without pre-judging you based on their personal shallow hang ups, for you to become fixated on that one girl that flared your fancy. It is a stupid thing to do wasting time waiting on a girl that said ‘maybe‘. You are not getting any younger!
Some women grow so fond of the men on their waiting list that when those men try to extract themselves from that list, they panic and start respond like they’re breaking up with a boyfriend – even though there was no romantic development in the first place. It’s absolutely ridiculous! These women give you the same bad vibes as though you were their lover, even though you’re not. So it’s like having all of superman’s weaknesses with none of his powers. What’s the point of having deal with all the negative effects of having girlfriend, if you’re not going to be able to sample the positive effects also? Listen buddy, Get off the damn waiting list and continue your search.
Conclusion
If you’re one of those people who believes that chemistry between two people is not paramount to the success of a relationship, then that is the stuff of fairy tales. Two people can only become lovers once chemistry exists. Anything less is a one night stand. It has to be the right amount and it has to be potent enough to get the gears of love turning. If it didn’t exist at the outset, it probably won’t exist later on. I say this because of a simple ubiquitous facet of human nature:
People never really change. They just become better or worse at who they really are.
To all the nice guys out there: You don’t have to finish last. You don’t have to become her intellectual whore. You don’t have to freely offer your shoulder to cry on without just reward. You are not required siphon your positive evergy to a fancy woman who will never love you. You’re not obligated to ‘fix’ a broken woman. Just because you’re nice, doesn’t mean that you have to be stupid. Just like those other jerks out there who lay women for sport, there are women out there who will drain your positive energy for sport. It goes both ways. Nice girls are suckered in by bad boys, and parasitic women are drawn to nice guys. BREAK THE CYCLE. Get off her waiting list. Be a man. Let every love interest you pursue know that it is all or nothing. That testosterone driven decisiveness makes you more attractive. Don’t settle for less just because you think you think you can’t do any better. YOU CAN.
Don’t let your desperation for love cause you to latch on to the first woman who is willing to smile at you. Do not sacrifice your dignity or your self respect because you feel lonely. Love is conditional. It goes both ways. If you love and are not loved in return, stop calling her. Stop nagging her. Stop leaving messages on her phone. Stop stalking her. Stop getting so insecure about every other dude out there who grabs her ass. Respect yourself and you will be respected.




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June 9, 2008 at 5:57 pm
aporia
So how exactly does a nice guy be a nice guy without being a jerk?
June 10, 2008 at 12:59 pm
xenlogic
Good question,
In the previous post, I covered the idea of there being four personality archetypes. As children, we are born being more of one than the other three. As we get older, we become more like the other three and less like the one we already are, thus bringing us closer to psychological integration – otherwise known as “true maturity”.
Nice guys are usually one of the personality archetypes at the top of the circle (Savant or Virtuoso). Jerks are usually one of the personality archetypes at the bottom of the circle (Conqueror or Thespian). Now, as each grows older, they become less like who they already are and more like who they already aren’t. However, Jerks and Nice guys are both people who never actually quite mature. They’re still stuck in that archetype they were born in even as they reach adulthood.
Women are naturally right brained (meaning they will be attracted to people who are left brained). This is why women tend to notice Jerks (strong left brain) before they notice Nice guys. Nice guys tend to have very strong right brain propensities as well. Nice guys need to understand that women are not sexually attracted to men who exhibit the same types of passive, unassertive mentalities which are similar to their own women folk. It’s the same way that guys are typically not attracted to women who remind them of their guy friends (meaning those women have an overly aggressive or assertive mentality).
Nice guys remind women of women. That’s why they become relegated to the “friend” zone. This is where these men become psychologically castrated by women. It’s not the women’s fault. Men do the same thing to women who act tomboyish or otherwise non-feminine.
Now, if Nice guys want to get the kind of attention they think they deserve, they need to become MATURE. They need to GROW UP and GROW A PAIR. There’s nothing wrong with a guy being a little cocky, or being more assertive or bold. Women find those kinds of qualities in a man attractive (for reasons stated earlier).
Where these qualities make a guy a jerk, is where cockiness is also coupled with NARCISSISM. This is where a guy is so self centered, that he doesn’t care whether or not other’s feelings get hurt when he is being assertive. That’s the key difference between nice guys and jerks. Nice guys however care SO much, that they come across as more of a gal pal than someone a woman would want to sleep with.
A man who is truly mature is even parts assertive, bold and agressive while possessing the proportionate quantities of caring, empathy and emotional capacity. Nice guys are too much of the latter and jerks are too much of the former. There’s a balance that can be struck without being either. That’s the key to true maturity in a man. Ofcourse, men have to maintain a greater portion of left brain than right, perhaps in a 60/40 ratio. You will typically find this quality in older married men (which is why you find a lot of young girls chasing after older men).
June 10, 2008 at 8:27 pm
aporia
Thanks very much.
Will test it out
June 10, 2008 at 8:28 pm
xenlogic
And how exactly do you plan to do that?
June 11, 2008 at 8:17 am
aporia
Well, at the moment I’ve got a really really very “nice guy.” Which is good, I suppose, but he lacks cockiness because he reckons there’s no difference between that and somewhat being a dick.
So urm… I kind of showed him the last 3 paragraphs.
September 6, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Richard
Advice about Being Jerk from a “used to be” Nice guy
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Being a jerk isn’t all that bad. Now, take your time. Don’t overdo the jerk think but if your not a jerk at least once…u won’t move up the list. Also, if during the time ur being a jerk the girl moves away – don’t worry. She coming back.
September 6, 2008 at 9:46 pm
xenlogic
I agree with this.
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January 18, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Bindo
It’s all about safety..Women want to feel safe…As if that (strong man) could save her from choking on a mint or stopping the drunk driver. There is no saftey and even the most exciting man will fall asleep after his needs are met..Yawn..great post though.
March 23, 2009 at 10:53 am
Jim
This article seems to look at gender stereotypes rather than the individual. Not all guys or Nice Guys want any girl they meet to be their girlfriend. There are guys out there with attractive female friends and are fine with their relationship. Yes, it true that girls show no interest in the “Nice Guy” until someone else shows an interest or they start dating. A lot of women (as well as men) are fickle and the Nice Guys don’t want fickle, but someone genuinely interested in them.
March 24, 2009 at 12:26 pm
xenlogic
No they’re not. What you just described is a psychological defense mechanism called Cognitive Dissonance.
March 24, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Jim
“No they’re not. What you just described is a psychological defense mechanism called Cognitive Dissonance.”
No, it is the true just because you think it is impossibility; you think that it is a fact. In reality, there are men who are mature enough to have attractive female friends and just see them as friend. I have met these guys and I know that they are sincere. Furthermore, how is that statement reflecting cognitive dissonance? Is it because you think men want to sleep with any girl just because they can hold a conversation with them. There are several reasons why a guy only sees an attractive girl has a friend. Maybe they don’t have enough in common, maybe she has issues, or maybe he doesn’t let his hormones do his thinking for him.
March 25, 2009 at 12:19 am
xenlogic
LOL!
Ok chief. I will concede that not every gorgeous woman I meet that I would sleep with for all the reasons you’ve posited. But know this:
1. The only reason some guys don’t sleep around is because of social engineering. *puts my hand up*
2. Irrespective of issues, sexual attraction is sexual attraction. There’s no two ways about it.
3. The only way a man and a woman can be just friends is if there is absolutely no sexual attraction between them. Otherwise, it’s an exercise in pure torture – for the man – and you know this.
For example, there is a girl that I know who I think is pretty hot. She’s got a great personality when she’s not being a class A bitch… of epic proportions.
Now I’ll be the first to admit that I’m a nice guy – but there isn’t a day that passes that I haven’t thought about hitting that, even if the thought only occupies the subliminal conscious part of my mind.
In reality (and this is the God honest truth), even if she offered, I would NEVER hit it because:
1. A bitch is a bitch is a bitch and a bitch that you have sex with becomes a clingy bitch (her ex-beau found that out the hard way).
2. I prefer my drama on TV and she’s won best actress back to back for the last five years.
3. Apparently she’s the regional Ho’. I’d just be another statistic on her wall of shame (plus the floundering regional cricket team).
4. Can you imagine walking into a party with her on your arm when all of your buddies have hit it already? No wonder her current beau didn’t want to be seen out with her. Not cool. So she doesn’t exactly qualify for points. I mean after some 40+ johns have been through it, she’s more like training wheels for a local virgin than a prize capture.
So yes, I agree that there are some women out there that are just NOT hit worthy – not to any self respecting male. But I’m not going to pretend that if there was a way to hit it anonymously, that I wouldn’t. Ho or not, bitch or not, she’s still hot and gorgeous and sweet, and all that jazz.
Now when a dude and a beautiful woman become friends, every single day that they meet, he has to subconsciously remind himself of why he doesn’t (read: shouldn’t) want her. He has to do this because for every sight of her, his brain is hardwired to produce sexual desire for her. THAT is cognitive dissonance. It happens every single time and virtually no straight male is exempt.
Cognitive Dissonance also occurs in cases where a dude can’t woo a particular woman and has to invent a reason why they should remain friends to satiate the inherent failure of his ego. This is particularly evident in cases where the woman is a REAL catch, but he doesn’t think he has it in him to get her. So he INVENTS a reason why she isn’t good enough for him and he genuinely believes the lie he tells himself – kinda like the fox and the sour grapes.
In every single case, Jim, if a dude chooses to remain just friends with an inordinately attractive woman who has nothing inherently wrong with her, or there is no obvious barrier to entry from his side of the fence (such as already having a wife or girlfriend or he is gay) then he’s lying to himself to ease the burden of his failure. THAT’s Cognitive Dissonance.
So far I have not encountered an exception to this rule. I am always however, open to being proven wrong – if you can.
March 25, 2009 at 12:39 pm
ilyena
This is insane, really. Men and women are not inately different but socialized to be so, a process typically completed by age 2. This kind of article only encourages one very specific and stereotypical type of masculinity, that of the dominant male aggressor. This article doesn’t speak for me, or even relate to me as a woman. I do not want a relationship where a male is the aggressor, where power relations are completely unequal. Why are characteristics that women desire in men always looked down upon as feminine, such as compassion, empathy and understanding? Seriously, this article just makes me want to spew feminist theory and I really hope that no guy out there is using this advice literally.
C’mon People!
March 30, 2009 at 10:53 am
Jim
I’m sorry, but I think that you are wrong on many accounts. I do believe that there are a lot guys that are mature enought to have attrative female friends. There are men that can be friends with attractive women even when there is nothing wrong with them. They don’t have to lie to themselves, because they are mature enough to know that sleeping with a friend is not the smart or right thing to do. If the man doesn’t have enough common with a woman then he won’t sleep with her, because there is a chance that someone better will come along. Even thou the best relationships starts with friendship; both man and the woman need a deeper connection in order to make that transition. I’m also speaking of want I seen and from personal experience. I have been friends with attractive girls and I didn’t want to pursue them, because I knew that I didn’t have enough in common with them. It is never smart for a guy to sleep with woman for shallow reasons, especially if it is a friend. I think that your argument relies too much on gender stereotypes, in which girls just want to talk and guys just wanna bang.
March 31, 2009 at 12:08 am
xenlogic
Wait a minute, there is another type of masculinity? LOL! Try telling that to the 90+% of women out there who treat nice guys like pet chihuahuas.
My dear, as a female, you represent the very tiny minority who are honestly of that opinion (and I’m only assuming you’re telling the truth) or maybe you have that opinion because you just recently ended your menstrual cycle (read on to my comments to Jim to find out why I say this).
The less aggressive guys like me and Jim here very deeply appreciate that girls like you exist. For if you didn’t, we wouldn’t get laid, our DNA wouldn’t get passed on and we’d all but cease to exist and you wouldn’t have a blog like this one to comment on.
Unfortunately, mother nature is not so forgiving my dear. Even in this “modern civilization”, it’s survival of the fittest, no matter how much you wrap it up in politically correct tinsel paper. Aggressive men get more female attention than those who walk on eggshells. That’s how mother nature was programmed and no amount of social engineering can undo that one.
Yes of course. It’s called being married.
Let’s test your theory: Ask that guy if he was offered sex by that attractive female friend if he’d turn it down.
No they don’t. One night stands are happening all over the world as we speak. Bad boys are racking up those panty points by the dozen while we nice guys sit here and deliberate this on the internet.
That deeper connection that you’re referring to is nothing more than an electro-chemical reaction in the brain. That can be effected without any long winded courtship routine. I speak from experience.
Have you ever heard of a concept called “Tunnel Vision”? In this context, it’s where people base general case scenarios based on personal experience or a point of view generated from a very narrow range of experience.
If I lived in a country like Amsterdam, I’d be laughing at your “naivete”. If I lived in a country like Scotland, I’d be laughing at my “arrogance”. If I did (or read) a study that included relationships from countries from all over the world, I would say that the me from Amsterdam and the me from Scotland were both wrong.
People often see stuff like this post on the internet and say “No way! You’re wrong! I’ve never had that experience!” – right – you haven’t. And that’s exactly why your comment is shy of the mark. Personal experience means nothing unless it is wide and general enough to experience most scenarios. Unfortunately, living in our little bubbles in our corner of the planet, we only see a very tiny fragment of the big picture.
So here’s what you’re going to do for me Jim: Go read up on the many articles out there on the internet about Male and Female courtship behaviour. Don’t take my word for it. You will see from very well researched professionals that women generally prefer aggressive men – particularly when they are ovulating – most intensely during the two weeks before their next menstrual cycle. Immediately after a woman’s period expires, she desires less aggressive males. A double blind study at Yale in the 1980’s confirmed this.
That’s a Scientific Fact.
…and I’m pretty sure even ilyena wasn’t aware of that.
Like I said earlier, humans are just biological machines with switches and knobs, etc. etc. and so on and so forth… *yawn*
Stereotypes exist because they exist.
April 1, 2009 at 7:53 pm
xenlogic
Master Jim,
Au contraire, mon ami, simplicity is usually a good thing. Simplicity propagates efficiency and efficiency expedites cognitive evolution. Complaining about the efficiency of stereotyping is the same thing as complaining about the efficiency of guns over sticks and stones. I re-iterate my earlier point: Information is always useful. The danger is not the tool, but the person who wields it.
There’s no such thing as a false stereotype. I think that you’re confusing the word stereotype with the word “epithet“. I hot linked it for you so you can click and see the definition. I maintain my position that stereotypes have long since been mischaracterized as something evil. The original meaning of the word alludes to an ostensible general case principle that can be empirically demonstrated.
Two things:
1. Technically, there’s no such thing as an “accurate” stereotype, since no stereotype is 100% relevant.
2. There’s no law that suggests that stereotypes require 90% for “accuracy”. I think what you mean to say is “relevance”. Stereotypes simply need to describe the majority case. That’s how it works in mathematics and statistical analysis. The majority case can be any number, so long as that number is the largest in a normal distribution of any given population.
A stereotype is a generalisation – usually used in psychology because humans have an order of complexity that is bound to every possible permutation of our DNA. That’s a number that is so big that it cannot fit into any known computer in whole (yet).
By simplifying psychological descriptions to orders of magnitude which describe general case scenarios that fit a certain demographic, psychologists can better manage the information.
So by definition, it automatically means that there is room for error. If a Stereotype could be accurate, it would be called a “law” or a “theorem” and the word “stereotype” would never have existed in the first place.
Unfortunately, irresponsible people have simply taken this principle of “General case description” and used it for malicious purposes. That is the intent with which you are most familiar. But I assure you, this was never the intention.
All women are driven by the same primal desires – even in societies where women have no civil liberties – and that’s what suppresses the behaviour. However, give them freedom, drop them into a western capitalist society and you won’t be able to tell the difference.
I believe that’s what we were doing.
Researchers do this all the time, every single day. Most of what we know in science is because of this technique. Nothing absurd about it at all.
Are we still talking about the same thing here?
Three things:
1. I never said anything about Iraq.
2. Iraq is not the only Muslim country in the world. There’s also Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Morocco, Pakistan, Palestine, United Arab Emirates… to name a few.
3. Prove me wrong by going to any one of the above mentioned countries and publicly insulting the Prophet Muhammad. If you come back with your head intact, I will gladly recant everything I’ve said here and personally take my blog down. You have my word.
Ha! George Clooney is a brilliant orator, playwright, writer, actor, director, author, activist, playboy who is untamable by any living female. If even half the US population was equally as talented, George Clooney wouldn’t be famous. He’d be just another one of the gang.
Try again.
You’re missing the point. I was simply saying that your earlier statement is inherently redundant. That’s called a metaphor by the way…
I’m not defending stereotypes. I’m promoting the idea that you don’t know what a stereotype is.
I’m not justifying stereotypes. I’m justifying common sense. Unfortunately, that phrase has proven more often than not to be an oxymoron. THAT, my friend Jim, is what gives me validation and an overwhelming sense of purpose.
Oh Jim, don’t be bitter. You should know that genius is always ahead of its time and every genius was once called a rebel. I wouldn’t expect you to understand, although if you did, we wouldn’t be having this most enlightening discussion. Again, as is your usual way to end your comments, thanks for the compliment. I love it when you stroke my over inflated ego.
April 4, 2009 at 10:06 am
Scott
Without getting too into the argument, I would say that xenlogic could have ended Jim’s now weakening argument with the fact of: the study of women and all women in general which seems more important to Mr. Jim, has already been done. the scientists and doctors around the world who have done these: (and I’m making reference to the substance of the quote, if you can follow me) Jim: “To think that you can just study a specific group of women in a specific area, and make generalization of most women is absurd.“ all (or at least enough of them to make very compelling data) share information, so the “impossibility” of getting all the women in the world (and I’m gonna go on the assumption that you dont mean literally all women, but from different cultures) has been done, and no doubt been compared to each other, making stereotypes. seems to me that a stereotype dies if not enough people believe, or at least agree with it. but that could just be me, i have no formal training in any field related to this, its all just opinion. (i figured that since Jim can get away with grammatical errors, mine would be forgiven)
May 16, 2009 at 8:09 pm
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May 28, 2009 at 2:04 am
Ray
I used to talk to women about their relationship problems but I did not know the damage I was doing to myself. Once I figured out what I was doing wrong,I stopped doing it. Now I will not talk to a woman about those types of issues. I have now been called rude and insensitive, ( though that is nothing to brag about ).
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Tim
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